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the gentleman who is going to be a guest

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this hour has been featured as one of

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our our news suppliers and commentator

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on the show on the subject of UFOs

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tonight actually have this longtime

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friend of mine in an interview segment

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because he's got a brand new book out

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and of course the gentleman I'm talking

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about is Ryan Sprague he's a

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professional playwright and screenwriter

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in New York City he's played tour guide

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for me a couple of times we had some

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wonderful hot chocolate together while

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we were up there along with our

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compatriot Peter Robbins who's been

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really influential in his work he's also

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an investigative journalist though and

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specializes in the topic of UFOs he's

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written for numerous publications

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including Omni reboot which I'm really

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excited about that magazine being back

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open minds magazine of course is one of

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the mainstays of UFOs these days he's

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written for them for years and also UFO

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truth magazine he's been featured on ABC

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mysteries at the museum so you may have

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and his first book somewhere in the

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skies a human approach to an alien

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phenomena is of course now available via

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Richard Dolan press full disclosure I

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pleasure to be able to do that as it is

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now my pleasure to be able to welcome

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him to discuss this new first book on

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the graylien report how are you Ryan I

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am doing fantastic Mike I can't thank

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you enough for having me out brother

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it's been a long time in the works and

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you know just as well as I do I've been

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watching your work from the periphery

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from the start and the periphery became

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focal and I am a huge fan of everything

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you do you've been a huge inspiration

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I have to tell you brother the reason

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you wrote the foreword is because you

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are one of the catalysts to actually

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dive in and write a book about this

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topic so thank you thank you for having

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me well it's my pleasure and again of

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course my co-host this week is Jason pin

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trail there's a great picture if you go

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okay micah underscore hanks and you'll

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see matt oakley the graylien reverend

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and i along with mr. pin trail posing

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with your book on top of a parking

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garage in charleston south carolina i

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mean it looks like this perfectly set up

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shot but we really just took that with

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happened to be one of those you know

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lightning in a bottle moments but it's a

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great book and we did that selfie for

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you to kind of help promote it and all

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the more reason I'm happy to have Jason

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interview again I just want to give a

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big congratulations to you Ryan for for

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coming out with this book and for being

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brave enough to put your thoughts and to

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it and again just a big congratulations

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on the book well thank you so much Jason

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approach a fresh take on the topic and

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the three of us know all of these topics

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can become very static at times and very

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stuffy and we need those younger people

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out there and the three of us are

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considered you know young guns as it

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were in this field we got a we got to

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shake things up every once in a while

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that's to take nothing away from the old

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guard but um let's build on what they've

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taught us and move forward for sure so

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what is what it's all about is really

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what we learn along the way so you know

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the past and people I would gather in

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the graylien listening audience actually

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know a good bit about you and kind of

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how you got into this so I want to start

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with an atypical question here you've

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of the UFO experience so I want to ask

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learned in the process of and since

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publication of this book what was the

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authoring process light and what have

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you learned since it went to print yeah

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thing for me guys when I approached

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book I didn't really

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wanted to write about UFOs but then what

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is the question after that how can I

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conversation that's been going on for so

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long and very few answers have ever been

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given so what I decided to do is really

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focus on that human aspect of these

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experiences you know what what do people

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experiences what did they take away from

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that how does that change their life and

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try to not find answers but to just

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different people from all over the world

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different backgrounds different beliefs

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everything how do you make that

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something cohesive so yeah I really

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experience No you know I do cover each

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person's incident or testimony but it

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that experience and I think that's sort

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that there are no neat and tidy boxes to

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put each of these experiences in while I

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may have found some patterns throughout

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them it still is such a vast array of

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opinions beliefs on what actually

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thought about what happened to them not

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what the author thought not what the UFO

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investigator thought I wanted to know I

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book I think that sort of led me on my

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the book but nothing is solid as knowing

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first time in the book and it is a

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constant dialogue the you know we always

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hear about these UFO accounts and

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abduction experiences and then we never

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there's no follow-up so let's keep that

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conversation going and I hope this is

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just a springboard for that conversation

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of the idea that first of all not

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terms of consensus opinions we don't

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community about what exactly a UFO is I

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the science minded researchers jail and

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what a UFO was without committing to

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hypotheses about their origins or in

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their or their nature and as time has

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think UFOs are this or they maybe that

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are really UFOs at all which is one more

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reason I like to drive home and a lot of

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people get after me about this or like

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minded you need to be open-minded about

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this no look you can be open-minded too

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I just think there needs to be some good

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hard science applied to the range of

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phenomena that right now presently fall

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believe what kinds of things influence

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our attitudes about this phenomena what

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do you think Ryan at the the you know

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most most fundamental level what is the

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value in taking this kind of a human

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phenomena we call UFOs you know rather

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than emphasis emphasizing technology or

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or collection of data what do we try to

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learn and what is the benefit from

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studying people and their experiences

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experiences mica they are the backbone

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lie-detector test IIE

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and listen to them tell this story and I

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focused on the effect it had on them you

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restaurant and just seeing as she was

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young child with a possible abduction

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experience with an unknown again we're

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that affected her and there was no doubt

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religiously you can tie the UFO

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phenomenon to each and every one of

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these sorts of studies and you know that

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human that human approach to this

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possible alien phenomenon in every use

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of the word alien is important it's

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integral and I think that's what's going

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to move us forward in having this

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dialogue about what is happening to

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these people Ryan I think you make a

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really good set of points there it often

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is looking at more than just you know

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what's on the surface and that's what I

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appreciate so much about this book is

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there's such a important thing to be

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considered when you're really sitting

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down and you're looking at people face

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to face and you can see the emotion and

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you can read what's happening to them

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and you can see oftentimes people are

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struggling with this and many times they

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don't have someone to go talk to about

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these experiences that they had and

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there's a whole myriad of emotions that

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can be attached to these things from

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shame - you know embarrassment

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and a lot of times you know these people

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have been disregarded by others when

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they've attempted to talk about these

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things so you know just being brave

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enough to sit down and talk with these

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people and and really take a moment to

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capture their story really does lend

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itself so well to the human approach

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along those guidelines if you will the

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human approach is something that's also

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important when you're doing this type of

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research and you know you've essentially

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been mentored by the famed researcher

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Peter Robbins and he's actually the

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first person that you mentioned in the

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books acknowledgments so what have you

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learned from Peter about the human

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approach of these cases and what do you

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think the value to that is Peter Robbins

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is definitely my obi-wan guys I have no

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problem admitting that he has led me on

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an investigative journey that I I can't

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thank him enough for he is one of a the

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nicest people I have ever met in my life

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and be one of the most compassionate and

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he taught me early on that when you are

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interviewing people who have had UFO

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sightings or encounters or just anything

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truly bizarre you know stepping out of

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the UFO realm as well you have to be

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compassionate you have to listen now you

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may have some preconceived notions going

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into the interview but I guarantee you

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that a lot of that will be shattered the

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minute you're in front of these people

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again and hearing them tell this story

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these people need someone to listen I

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think that's what it comes down to we're

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so quick to judge what they have to say

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or to put it in this box or that one

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they're delusional they were drunk

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they're lonely this that this that but I

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tell you guys I interviewed about 200

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people in my research over span of two

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years I narrowed it down to a little

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over a dozen in the book and these are

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highly credible people they're

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professors doctors law enforcement

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military pastors of churches it's every

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type of person you can think of having

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these extraordinary experiences and

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again

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peter is one of those people who I look

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up to and I can see his own interviewing

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skills his own investigative skills

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evolving as time has gone on and that is

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something that that I enjoy and that I

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respect is that we don't have the

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answers as UFO researchers we are not

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here to tell people what to think

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we're here to take the stories have a

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dialogue and talk to the people having

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the experiences you know Brian one thing

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I think that is really important when it

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comes to asking people these questions

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and Ron actually I mean as long as I've

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known you kindness has been one of the

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many facets of your character Peter

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Robbins is also a very timed individual

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and his emphasis of compassion and that

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you know coming through in your own

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interpretation of and relationship with

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people that you've written about in this

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book somewhere in the skies I mean I

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think that's a very important thing

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there was a study that came out late

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last year then I'll just make this brief

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anecdote but I want to really get into

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talking about some of the cases you

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discussed in the book this study that

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came out was talking about how not only

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skepticism but sometimes ridicule can

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actually be an effective way to change

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people's attitudes about illogical

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things and therefore in the minds of

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some being frankly uh nasty or rude or

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overtly critical of people seems to be a

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constructive way to inform people better

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I I understand sadly that negative

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reinforcement can be useful but

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something I've always appreciated about

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you and Peter is that when I catch up

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with you guys and I did I mean Ryan and

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Pete came and met me where I was staying

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in New York a couple of years ago we

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went on a well Peter and I literally

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stayed out in New York City for thirteen

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hours together but throughout the day

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Ryan was Ryan was right there along the

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way with us for a large part of that as

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well as mr. McDonough mass of middle

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theory Fame and you know these two

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people because of their their genuine

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character there's some of the best

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people to be around and I believe that

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if we're really gonna have constructive

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dialogue you can't scare people off by

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ridiculing them and even within the UFO

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community it's funny I mean you leave a

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skeptic versus believer out of it I see

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within the UFO community people who

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disagree about their different

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interpretations of the same

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phenomena will read ik you'll each other

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and they will resort to ad hominem

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attacks and they will do this kind of a

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thing and they end up going on message

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forums and posting you know critiques

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and attacks and allegations against

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people you know when people attack me

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for instance I've had to learn I usually

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have to just kind of keep quiet and and

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and leave it alone unless it's something

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really bad and unfortunately I've never

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really been attacked by somebody it was

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making some horrible allegation I try to

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keep a good you know persona and a clean

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conscious in all this but you know I can

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never overemphasize the value of people

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who have a positive outlook and a and a

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generosity a compassion for those that

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they work with and again throughout your

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book that is something that I find is is

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present I mean and it's it's it's innate

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to your character but it comes through

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in your book too and I appreciate that I

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think it's important that people need to

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be able to feel comfortable with the

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researchers that they talk with and I

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would argue further that you know some

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of our brethren in the skeptic community

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could benefit from you know adding a

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little more of that compassion to their

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approach because that way they might be

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able to reach more people because when

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people are talking about these kind of

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experiences this is something that it

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can be frightening it can be extremely

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personal it can be something that

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appends their fundamental view of

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reality and when they talk about this

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with somebody they want to feel the

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general comfort that they will not be

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ridiculed in doing so and I think that

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that's why so many interesting stories

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come out in the narrative of your book

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let's look at a few of these you know in

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chapter 3 you talk about a character by

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the name of Chris Billy key okay his

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encounter involved a number of things

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that were interesting to me which

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include vehicular interference and other

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things let's talk a little bit about his

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story what he experienced and what you

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learned from talking with him sure so

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yeah

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Chris was a gentleman I spoke to you

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face-to-face so I got this straight from

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from the mouth of the witness um

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this occurred to him back in 1972 Myka

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this guy he spent nine years in the Navy

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he worked for the DoD for most of his

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life he even inspected parts that would

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eventually go on the space shuttles for

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NASA so you know I wanted to hear what

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this guy had to say and so he's on his

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first assignment in the Navy he's

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traveling from Florida to from central

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New York

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for training and he's on the road

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somewhere around

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I believe North Carolina up in your neck

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of the woods and he's blaring the radio

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and it starts cutting out so he tries

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several other stations nothing happens

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the radio just goes dead and you know

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this car starts to putter along and he

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just bought this car so you know a

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couple days ago to make the long drive

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so he's sitting there wondering what's

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going on and he notices a pair of

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headlights coming up behind him and he's

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excited right someone to hopefully help

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him out and he starts to get out to flag

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the car down and he notices that the

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headlights aren't on the road and

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they're actually lifting higher higher

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and then it just disappeared so suddenly

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his star is excuse me his car starts

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back up and he gets back in and he looks

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out the passenger window and there's

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this empty field off in the distance and

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he sees this large bright light just

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hovering pulsating you know he starts to

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freak out he hits the gas pedal he

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drives for some time and he notices that

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the light is actually following him you

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know perpendicular to the car so he

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pulls over he gets out he stares up at

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this thing and he describes what he saw

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as quote sort of like a fried egg from a

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cross-sectional view it had a darker

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shape at the bottom and a brighter dome

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like top so Chris is he's in shock Micah

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and he slowly starts to find his way

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back into the car he starts to drive

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away hoping whatever this thing is it

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didn't notice him but it does starts

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following him again so whatever this

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thing is Chris starts to believe it's

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intelligent this thing is actually

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reacting to what Chris is doing so he's

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driving faster and faster and the light

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is right over his car burning brighter

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and he just starts yelling to himself in

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the car please go away go away and it

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does so Chris it's somehow he can he

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continues to drive to this Naval Base he

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finds the first bar he can and he has a

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drink hello he doesn't talk about what

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happened for to any

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you know for fear of like you said that

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ridicule factor that often comes with

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these things and he has changed from

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that instant on man it completely

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altered his beliefs that something else

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out there was in our skies and this was

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just an evolution and Chris after that

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man he became very spiritual

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he stated that many miracle like things

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occurred to him thereafter it's it's a

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deeply fascinating case and one from a

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man who is very reserved doesn't talk a

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lot but I'm telling you man when he told

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me this face to face you could not shut

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him up I can only imagine what somebody

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who with a background in the Department

546
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:04,620
of Defense actually I have a good friend

547
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:08,070
who has that same background in terms of

548
00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:11,450
her professional work who has had UFO or

549
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:13,560
entity kind of encounters and things

550
00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:15,960
like this and I can only imagine being

551
00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:18,060
in those shoes myself and knowing that

552
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:19,830
you think you kind of have a grasp on

553
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,440
what is going on in the world especially

554
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,760
as it relates to military intelligence

555
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:25,320
things like this and then you have this

556
00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:27,900
kind of an experience but I'm equally

557
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:30,420
fascinated by the spiritual reaction

558
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,610
that so many people have to this kind of

559
00:21:37,580 --> 00:21:35,520
an experience to you you say that he

560
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:37,590
this kind of which was transformative

561
00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:39,330
for him in that way I mean I take it

562
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:41,460
with his DoD background that maybe Chris

563
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:44,250
was more technically minded did this

564
00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:47,130
experience kind of caused a shift to a

565
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:48,990
more spiritual worldview do you think

566
00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:51,240
Brian I think so

567
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:52,580
I mean again this was a guy who

568
00:21:59,480 --> 00:21:56,250
inspected parts for NASA um he was very

569
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,490
technically driven in his life you know

570
00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:02,400
whether it was mathematically whether it

571
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:05,670
was to do with statistics in I would

572
00:22:12,170 --> 00:22:08,630
imagine the defense work he was doing

573
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:12,180
you almost saw two sides of this man in

574
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:15,650
one side of it that was evolving sort of

575
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:19,440
you know insidiously through time and

576
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:21,780
that was the spiritual aspect while

577
00:22:27,290 --> 00:22:23,940
Chris was playing the game within the

578
00:22:30,290 --> 00:22:27,300
DoD of what he knew and what was going

579
00:22:34,550 --> 00:22:30,300
on he also had this experience so early

580
00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:34,560
on in his career that was building that

581
00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:34,830
was

582
00:22:39,889 --> 00:22:37,529
evolving and that spiritual awakening he

583
00:22:42,049 --> 00:22:39,899
had at such a young age I can only

584
00:22:44,509 --> 00:22:42,059
imagine that that affected both his work

585
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:44,519
and his personal life moving forward did

586
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:47,010
he or could he come to any kind of

587
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:48,450
conclusion about what he thinks he saw

588
00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:49,769
did he did he express to you what he

589
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:52,679
thought it was all he told me was that

590
00:23:00,440 --> 00:22:57,570
it was not of this world this earth I

591
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:00,450
think was the specific word he used now

592
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:03,570
again we cannot immediately go to the

593
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:07,799
the ETH with that only that Kris

594
00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:11,340
believed what he saw was non-human was

595
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:15,240
not made by any type of military that he

596
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:18,360
knows of so and we again we can leave it

597
00:23:23,419 --> 00:23:20,730
at that it is not a clear answer but

598
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:23,429
then again Leica when is it huh yeah

599
00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:24,840
that's part of the problem I mean we're

600
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:26,070
looking for those kind of clear answers

601
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,210
you know we got to do a break but when

602
00:23:30,889 --> 00:23:29,159
we come back I know that jason has some

603
00:23:32,539 --> 00:23:30,899
questions for you about one of these

604
00:23:34,879 --> 00:23:32,549
encounters where a person describes not

605
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:34,889
just an object in the sky they saw

606
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,860
something that seems to suggest a little

607
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:39,120
more was going on

608
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:42,090
more specifically beings but they

609
00:23:45,620 --> 00:23:44,490
weren't quite human or were they it's a

610
00:23:47,779 --> 00:23:45,630
very interesting case we'll discuss that

611
00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:47,789
with Ryan Sprague when we return here on

612
00:24:05,400 --> 00:23:48,700
the graylien report

613
00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:34,450
[Music]

614
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you know at least since the 1940s many

615
00:24:43,239 --> 00:24:40,129
would argue in fact going back even

616
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,249
earlier but there have been objects that

617
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,919
have been seen flying objects and that

618
00:24:48,909 --> 00:24:47,360
presumably we watched these things come

619
00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:48,919
and go on that they exist somewhere out

620
00:24:52,509 --> 00:24:51,080
there somewhere in the skies that of

621
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:52,519
course is the very fitting title of the

622
00:24:56,109 --> 00:24:53,960
book written by Ryan Sprague we're

623
00:25:00,669 --> 00:24:56,119
discussing it with him tonight Richard

624
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:00,679
Dolan press the publisher and Ryan with

625
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:03,110
his book has emphasized the human

626
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:04,970
approach to the phenomenon that he has

627
00:25:09,789 --> 00:25:07,730
attempted to take with this it is very

628
00:25:11,049 --> 00:25:09,799
interesting to look at this from that

629
00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:11,059
kind of perspective we learn an awful

630
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:12,590
lot about ourselves when we study

631
00:25:17,109 --> 00:25:15,230
various mysterious phenomena and so I

632
00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:17,119
want to turn it to my co-host mr. Jason

633
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:18,279
pin trail because we're gonna talk about

634
00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:21,440
another of the cases that Ryan discusses

635
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:24,350
in that book yeah absolutely and Ryan

636
00:25:29,859 --> 00:25:26,710
now in the last case we discussed the

637
00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:29,869
the basic sighting of what Chris saw and

638
00:25:34,509 --> 00:25:32,869
so he he had an encounter but further in

639
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:34,519
the book in Chapter nine we see a

640
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:37,450
character by the name of Bret and Bret's

641
00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:40,549
experiences is vastly different and in

642
00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:43,639
essentially it it leads down some some

643
00:25:47,769 --> 00:25:45,230
rather dark roads for him in the

644
00:25:49,239 --> 00:25:47,779
aftermath so if you could could you give

645
00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:49,249
us some insight into your experience

646
00:25:53,649 --> 00:25:51,559
with Bret and kind of give us some

647
00:25:55,869 --> 00:25:53,659
details of this this very interesting

648
00:25:59,109 --> 00:25:55,879
case absolutely um

649
00:26:01,480 --> 00:25:59,119
Bret Oldman his initial experience

650
00:26:04,090 --> 00:26:01,490
occurred when he was five years old on

651
00:26:07,659 --> 00:26:04,100
the outskirts of southern Illinois he

652
00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:07,669
was asleep in bed when he he saw this

653
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:12,340
bright burning light coming from outside

654
00:26:18,999 --> 00:26:15,529
downstairs so he you know he rushes down

655
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:19,009
there he opens the window to see what

656
00:26:25,389 --> 00:26:22,090
this light is on his parents farm and

657
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:25,399
all he sees behind this window guys is a

658
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:27,769
pair of black eyes staring back at him

659
00:26:33,580 --> 00:26:30,230
and he remembers seeing what he can only

660
00:26:35,529 --> 00:26:33,590
describe as a small gray being looking

661
00:26:38,169 --> 00:26:35,539
through the glass so right here we have

662
00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:38,179
that sort of prototypical abduction

663
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,100
experience of the quote-unquote gray

664
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:43,279
alien he notices another being walking

665
00:26:46,419 --> 00:26:44,809
towards the window behind the first

666
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:46,429
being and at this point

667
00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:48,260
Bret blacks out

668
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:51,590
he wakes up and he's lying on a table of

669
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:54,710
some sort his vision is blurry and he

670
00:27:00,540 --> 00:26:57,350
can't really see what's happening but he

671
00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:00,550
can faintly make out surgical masks and

672
00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:03,740
human figures so he thinks he's in a

673
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:06,140
hospital or something like that he it

674
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:09,250
feels very sterile it's bright you know

675
00:27:14,919 --> 00:27:11,900
so things start to slowly come into

676
00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:14,929
focus and he starts yelling for his mom

677
00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:16,700
you know he's five years old he's in a

678
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:19,640
strange for in place with possible

679
00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:23,150
doctors where's my mom so he's screaming

680
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:25,460
and screaming for his mom and the

681
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:28,130
figures these doctors in Brett's

682
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:30,230
perception we have to keep in mind

683
00:27:35,260 --> 00:27:33,320
actually shift back into these grey

684
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:35,270
beings that he'd seen staring through

685
00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:38,960
the window but instead of feeling fear

686
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:40,790
in this moment guys

687
00:27:46,510 --> 00:27:43,790
he almost is calm at this point like

688
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:46,520
something had taken over his emotions

689
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:49,250
he's he's brought into another room and

690
00:27:54,669 --> 00:27:51,320
he's seated with a bunch of these greys

691
00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:54,679
and they begin speaking to him but he

692
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:56,630
notices that you know they're small

693
00:28:01,390 --> 00:27:59,510
slit-like mouths aren't moving and these

694
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:01,400
voices he's hearing they're actually

695
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:04,010
being processed in his mind not through

696
00:28:08,919 --> 00:28:06,290
his ears and they seem to be telling him

697
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:08,929
we're not going to hurt you we are your

698
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:09,710
friends

699
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:12,770
do you understand and Brett he you know

700
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,770
he nods and they say we want to learn

701
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:18,080
more about you can we come visit you

702
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:21,170
from time to time and again Brett

703
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:23,720
feeling almost controlled is compelled

704
00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:27,890
to nod and agree to these terms so next

705
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:30,470
thing he knows he blacks out again and

706
00:28:34,330 --> 00:28:32,150
he wakes up the next morning in his bed

707
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:34,340
like nothing had happened you know he

708
00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:36,710
tells his mom what happened she thinks

709
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:38,390
he's suffering and overactive

710
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:41,690
imagination and that's it but Brett

711
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:44,600
keeps having these occurrences where he

712
00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:47,510
blacks out and these beings return to

713
00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:49,460
take him and he starts having these

714
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:52,100
strange marks appear on his body and his

715
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:55,340
parents they're just brushing this off

716
00:28:59,860 --> 00:28:57,650
guys I can't even imagine what a

717
00:29:01,410 --> 00:28:59,870
five-year-old thinks when these things

718
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:01,420
are happening and the pair

719
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,510
shrug it off you know years and years go

720
00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:07,840
by and Bret starts to deny this aspect

721
00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:11,320
of his life but he creates this strong

722
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:14,380
resentment for those who won't believe

723
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,140
him and for the beings themselves that

724
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:19,200
are doing this he starts to feel

725
00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:23,500
depressed anxious a whole concoction of

726
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:26,800
what many people consider PTSD effects

727
00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:28,750
in many ways certain things would

728
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:30,460
trigger his memories leaving him

729
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:34,570
paralyzed with fear uncertainty and it's

730
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:36,790
just kept building and festering in him

731
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:39,430
guys the the manipulation of his

732
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:42,160
thoughts and feelings are what scared

733
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:43,990
him and kind of what intrigued me most

734
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:47,110
about all this and he actually told me I

735
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,240
don't believe that anyone truly knows

736
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:51,820
the agenda of these beings I can only

737
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:54,670
express my views and opinions on what

738
00:30:00,150 --> 00:29:57,730
they may be doing after having endured

739
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:00,160
countless procedures and experiments I

740
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:02,650
can only deduce that it seems that they

741
00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:04,870
are extremely interested in human

742
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:07,720
emotions of which they themselves lack

743
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,230
and don't understand so that guys is

744
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:13,600
what truly struck me about this case is

745
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:16,750
that whatever these things are they may

746
00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:20,490
lack what we consider ethical moral and

747
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:23,380
intruding on our lives for some grand

748
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:26,230
agenda they might have whatever they

749
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:29,650
might be yeah absolutely Vienna and I

750
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:31,960
selected this particular case because I

751
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,230
thought it lent itself very well to

752
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:36,640
really understanding the human approach

753
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:38,890
because in the aftermath of these events

754
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,290
over Bret's lifetime we can see the

755
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:42,880
consequence that these things can have

756
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:45,190
on people there was also some very

757
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:47,080
compelling and extremely interesting

758
00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:49,510
things that he was mentioning within

759
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:51,790
this chapter one of which I would like

760
00:30:57,660 --> 00:30:53,950
to get you to expound on a little bit

761
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:57,670
was at the point when he says what they

762
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,410
said to him was we want to learn about

763
00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:01,600
you can we come and visit you from time

764
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:04,900
to time during your interview and your

765
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:07,570
time with Brett did you ever discuss

766
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:10,930
with him what he thought or what he

767
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:12,310
would have envisioned may have happened

768
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:15,070
had he denied this request that's

769
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:17,590
very good question uh yeah I I did ask

770
00:31:22,289 --> 00:31:19,870
him like why you know as the interviewer

771
00:31:25,529 --> 00:31:22,299
who did not have the experience I asked

772
00:31:27,419 --> 00:31:25,539
him dude why didn't she just say no you

773
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:27,429
know if that were the case we would have

774
00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:32,049
so less amount of abductions occurring

775
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:35,799
possibly uh but like I said Brett felt

776
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:38,169
controlled he felt manipulated into

777
00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:41,980
saying yes to these things a almost a a

778
00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:44,740
coercion of sorts to say you know we're

779
00:31:51,149 --> 00:31:47,559
going to ask you but we are really we're

780
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:51,159
gonna continue with it anyways so what I

781
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:53,789
can only imagine like feeling helpless

782
00:31:59,220 --> 00:31:57,279
to deny this experience how does that

783
00:32:03,539 --> 00:31:59,230
affect Brett's mentality moving forward

784
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:03,549
it's it's almost like you know like he

785
00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:06,490
didn't have a choice and that this would

786
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:08,860
continue and that he just has to accept

787
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:11,710
it um but Brett didn't want to just

788
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:15,100
accept that he felt a strong resentment

789
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,049
for these space brothers coming to

790
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:21,279
experiment on him for some greater

791
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:23,860
purpose and he didn't see it as such

792
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:27,129
whatever these small unfettered gray

793
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:29,529
aliens were doing it was drastically

794
00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:31,990
affecting his life he became depressed

795
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:34,929
he became anxious that it would happen

796
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:37,090
time and time again like they had

797
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:41,200
promised him it would and in each time

798
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:45,279
guys Brett what he would do is really

799
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,620
use that human core deep within him this

800
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:50,799
is what he told me to feel in control of

801
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,350
the situation if it was gonna continue

802
00:32:58,049 --> 00:32:55,840
happening it would happen on his terms

803
00:33:01,259 --> 00:32:58,059
and he would try to learn a bit more

804
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:01,269
from them as time went on so he would

805
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,100
start asking the questions when these

806
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:05,200
things happened um knowing that each

807
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:09,190
time maybe again maybe he could unlock

808
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:11,590
one more door and figure out what the

809
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:15,100
hell they're doing and why yeah

810
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:18,970
absolutely and and really you know this

811
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:21,009
this particular case again I think out

812
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:22,570
of most of the ones in the book it kind

813
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:24,340
of struck chord with me because out of

814
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,570
all the ones that you've discussed in

815
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:27,279
the book this is the one that really

816
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:28,260
seems to

817
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:31,290
home the aftermath that I think is so

818
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,770
important to the human approach so I

819
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:36,720
mean going back to what what Brett kind

820
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:38,850
of says if you would bear with me here

821
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:40,050
for just a second I would actually like

822
00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:43,020
to read a quote from the book on page

823
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:46,560
117 I says and this is quoting Brett I

824
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:47,850
had fought bouts of depression

825
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:50,400
throughout my life which I'm sure is in

826
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:52,170
direct correlation to the experiences

827
00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:53,520
and procedures that I've endured at the

828
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,190
hands of these beings and what angers me

829
00:34:01,010 --> 00:33:58,380
most is that they appear to be

830
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:01,020
completely devoid of empathy toward

831
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:04,410
their unfortunate subjects so that leads

832
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:06,030
me down sort of another road of

833
00:34:10,850 --> 00:34:08,760
questioning and you know this is just

834
00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:10,860
getting your opinion on this Ryan but is

835
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,230
it possible that if these beings were

836
00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:16,020
being more empathetic as they were when

837
00:34:20,870 --> 00:34:18,120
they first seemed to have the initial

838
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,880
experience with him and had a more

839
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:22,800
defined set of human emotions do you

840
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:24,510
think that the anxiety and later

841
00:34:30,379 --> 00:34:26,610
depression would have been less

842
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:30,389
emotionally impactful in his life I do I

843
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,090
do believe that and we see these

844
00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:35,700
patterns within the abduction phenomenon

845
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:40,230
of feeling violated feeling manipulated

846
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:44,490
and almost like a test subject guys and

847
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:46,919
I can't imagine what that must feel like

848
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:49,080
you know this happens here on this

849
00:34:55,450 --> 00:34:52,409
planet between human and human I can

850
00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:55,460
only imagine what it entails

851
00:35:00,830 --> 00:34:57,750
subconsciously and consciously and

852
00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:00,840
emotionally with a possible human and

853
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:05,700
non-human interaction so had they had

854
00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:09,300
they taken Brett's thoughts feelings and

855
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,340
emotions into consideration I don't

856
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:13,440
think these abductions would be

857
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:16,800
happening as often as they do or as

858
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:20,190
intrusive as they are but that opens up

859
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:21,930
a whole can of worms guys in terms of

860
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:24,540
what an alien abduction actually is and

861
00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:27,330
if it is actually happening in the realm

862
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:29,960
of reality that we've come to accept and

863
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:33,090
process and perceive you know that's a

864
00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:34,770
really good point by the way because

865
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:37,950
again a while back a number of years ago

866
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:40,350
I would I would read over the abduction

867
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:42,210
encounters and I would think about

868
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:45,270
these things and often people who

869
00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:48,210
describe a so-called abduction would not

870
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:50,790
have seen any kind of a UFO and yet

871
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,400
continually people say you know UFO

872
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:54,960
abduction and I wondered you know are

873
00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:56,609
these two experiences necessarily

874
00:36:00,020 --> 00:35:57,990
mutually exclusive to one another

875
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,030
another weird thing though that arises

876
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:02,220
from Brett's description of his

877
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,310
encounter that is maybe not troubling

878
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,020
for me but it definitely causes me to

879
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:09,480
kind of think differently about and over

880
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,010
the years this is something I've noticed

881
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:14,400
from case to case there is this

882
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:17,490
component that seems to involve the

883
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:21,200
captors as it were at least at one point

884
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:24,660
appearing human to him he seems to

885
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:26,670
describe these resembling doctors face

886
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:27,930
masks and all these kind of things and

887
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:30,210
as he begins to kind of come into

888
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,280
awareness they shift back into

889
00:36:36,859 --> 00:36:34,560
resembling the beings that he had seen

890
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:36,869
before and it's funny because Ryan you

891
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:37,980
and I were in New York together

892
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:39,990
a few years ago with Peter Robbins you'd

893
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:42,180
taken a photo of him he and I as we

894
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,560
walked along Central Park together

895
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:45,359
talking and the question I had said to

896
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,410
him I said what do you think about

897
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,240
Travis Waltons experience we're all of a

898
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:50,820
sudden this experience that initially he

899
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:52,770
wakes up he's almost in a sort of a

900
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:54,359
shock and he sees these beings around

901
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:56,550
him he's very frightened when he

902
00:36:59,500 --> 00:36:58,020
collects himself the beings come back

903
00:37:02,060 --> 00:36:59,510
into the room they look like humans now

904
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,070
what is it about these experiences that

905
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:04,800
seem to balai or or that present maybe

906
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,640
characters entities that at times look

907
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:10,260
just like you or I they look like people

908
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,890
I mean I would even I would wager that

909
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:15,359
more than half of the UFO abductions

910
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,470
I've read about over the years in some

911
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:18,599
capacity involve this kind of a human

912
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:19,800
component I've even had Whitley Strieber

913
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,390
tell me I've had people come into my

914
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:23,820
house that spoke to me in English not

915
00:37:28,099 --> 00:37:26,609
not aliens people what what do you think

916
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:28,109
or do you have thoughts about the reason

917
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:30,780
why that might appear as a motif in so

918
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:32,910
many of these abduction experiences and

919
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:35,820
what it to you does that mean absolutely

920
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:37,770
I mean we we can look at the whole idea

921
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:39,210
of this screen memory

922
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:41,820
I'm sure you've spoken with my cleland

923
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:44,940
about this at some point about the idea

924
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:48,540
that these non-human intelligence if

925
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:54,000
they are doing this they will they will

926
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:55,950
manipulate it and craft it around

927
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:58,200
something that we can relate to as human

928
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:01,650
beings while we may be encountering

929
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:04,230
something we've never seen before

930
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:07,710
or experienced they have the power they

931
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,000
have the possible technology to make us

932
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:13,920
see it as something we can relate to a

933
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:17,820
human being a Howell a an animal of some

934
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:19,470
sort or like you said in the case of

935
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,900
Travis Walton a Nordic like being

936
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:26,460
something that we can identify with

937
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:30,480
something that we can possibly trust you

938
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:34,020
know what I mean a we maybe by sitting

939
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,030
down looking into the eyes of another

940
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:39,480
human being we will agree to the terms

941
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,050
that we actually have no say over when

942
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:44,640
it comes to these abduction experiences

943
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,370
I find Travis Waltons case absolutely

944
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:50,640
fascinating because of the variety of

945
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,940
beings that he supposedly encountered

946
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:54,960
you know and we hear this all the time

947
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,230
of all these different races of aliens

948
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:00,660
one's evil while one is here to help us

949
00:39:06,350 --> 00:39:03,030
this one's just sort of the the slave of

950
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,360
the others you know guys I don't know I

951
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:08,880
have no answer in terms of what these

952
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:11,850
races are what they stand for or if

953
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:15,180
they're even real in terms of what we

954
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:18,600
consider reality um all I can say is yes

955
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:22,170
these people do see grey aliens they do

956
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,690
see human beings and we really have to

957
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:26,760
look at that perception aspect of all

958
00:39:31,850 --> 00:39:29,370
this you know dr. Jacques Vallee says

959
00:39:35,110 --> 00:39:31,860
that this is a deception of sorts by

960
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:35,120
whatever lay behind these mysteries and

961
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:37,590
we have to keep that in mind

962
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:39,960
are we being deceived or are there

963
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:43,170
actual other human beings out there from

964
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:46,860
another possible human-like planet doing

965
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:49,490
these things I find that very unlikely

966
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:52,890
but we have to keep that door open and

967
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,660
consider looking at that from the

968
00:39:58,070 --> 00:39:56,520
stories we hear from those experiencing

969
00:39:59,840 --> 00:39:58,080
a very interesting I'll come back to

970
00:40:01,610 --> 00:39:59,850
jock ballet in a moment first I just

971
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:01,620
want to talk about how far out and

972
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,570
frankly at times how fanciful if not

973
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:09,180
just purely imaginary and credulous the

974
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,750
idea

975
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,480
of an alien species reaching out to us

976
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:14,400
and oh I don't know making itself look

977
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:15,660
kind of human so that we'd feel better

978
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,210
about it that's just a crazy idea isn't

979
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:19,920
it in fact so crazy that I guess it was

980
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,090
kind of one of those motifs that

981
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,280
appeared in Carl Sagan's novel contact

982
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:26,160
you know where again the idea of an

983
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:28,650
advanced intelligence presents itself to

984
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:29,940
us in a way that we are more comfortable

985
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:31,830
with seeing you know I think that people

986
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,570
even outside the UFO community in other

987
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,000
words have broached that subject and

988
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:37,740
taken that interpretation it was

989
00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:39,960
somewhat mirrored in the works of arthur

990
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:42,360
c clarke with 2001 a space odyssey and

991
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,430
you know whether you want to look at it

992
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:46,380
as science speculative fiction or

993
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:48,360
something that is a possible narrative

994
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:51,150
of actual human experience many people

995
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:52,740
in a variety of different experiences

996
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,390
have dealt with that seemingly unlikely

997
00:40:57,830 --> 00:40:56,160
idea so maybe we should keep an open

998
00:41:00,680 --> 00:40:57,840
mind about that

999
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:00,690
coming back to Jacque Valais you know in

1000
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:03,480
his book revelations he also asks the

1001
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:04,830
question and I have put this to Peter

1002
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:07,290
Robbins I'll put it to you now let's say

1003
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:09,150
an alien intelligence could mirror

1004
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:10,380
something that we are more comfortable

1005
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:13,410
with seen conversely could a human

1006
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:16,770
technology make itself appear in some

1007
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:19,410
way unlike anything of this world as a

1008
00:41:27,830 --> 00:41:23,730
measure of deception that is a tough one

1009
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:27,840
my man you got me on that one I mean

1010
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:31,500
let's let's look at it I guess let's

1011
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:35,220
look at it psychologically would why

1012
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:37,850
what what do we gain from that sort of

1013
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:40,410
that idea that we are deceiving

1014
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:43,890
ourselves um we perhaps these science

1015
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:46,680
fiction writers or science fact writers

1016
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:51,000
that we often rely on or that we listen

1017
00:41:55,610 --> 00:41:53,580
to what are they trying to say about us

1018
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:55,620
as humans ourselves I think this really

1019
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,770
is a sociological and psychological

1020
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:00,960
thing let's put that mirror up to

1021
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:04,020
ourselves if we are seeing an alien race

1022
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:07,320
as possible human that says a lot about

1023
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,190
us in how we perceive this foreign

1024
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:13,440
mentality this foreign idea of an other

1025
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:17,280
out there somewhere what does that truly

1026
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:20,520
say about us as humans that while we are

1027
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:23,530
searching the heavens in the skies

1028
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:26,380
for some other intelligence why why are

1029
00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:28,930
we perceiving it as human the

1030
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:30,460
possibilities are endless about what

1031
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:32,680
could be out there whether microbial or

1032
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:35,850
intelligent why do we always have to

1033
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:38,950
relate it to us as humans as like

1034
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:40,780
Whitley Strieber said speaking English

1035
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,870
in a very Western world why why is that

1036
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,420
and again we keep going back to that

1037
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:49,200
whole sociological aspect of the UFO

1038
00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:52,990
phenomenon or the alien phenomenon alien

1039
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,700
abduction phenomenon and what that might

1040
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:57,040
say about us it's fascinating mica I

1041
00:43:01,950 --> 00:42:58,770
don't have an answer for that

1042
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:01,960
unfortunately at times I almost gathered

1043
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:04,750
that the study of this sociologically or

1044
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:06,940
otherwise says a lot more about we as

1045
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:08,680
people the way that we think in the way

1046
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:10,270
that we relate to one another then it

1047
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:12,520
does about the UFO subject on the whole

1048
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,260
guys we're almost out of time Jason I

1049
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:15,520
want to come back to you for a moment

1050
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:17,800
with any final questions for Ryan no I

1051
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:19,210
mean rather than a question I would just

1052
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:21,940
say that again appreciate the work that

1053
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,450
you've done and in the the way that

1054
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:26,560
you've gone about doing it I think

1055
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:28,840
you've presented a very important and

1056
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:31,270
new step in the direction for for these

1057
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:33,220
studies you did mention at the beginning

1058
00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:35,470
of the interview how they've essentially

1059
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:37,240
gotten stale over the years and there's

1060
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:38,770
only so much new information coming out

1061
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:40,690
but I think this is a legitimate way to

1062
00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:43,090
take the research and I think it's a

1063
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:44,680
great way to think about it and I'm

1064
00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:45,970
looking forward to seeing what else you

1065
00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:47,980
come up with in the future well thank

1066
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:50,140
you so much I would like to conclude

1067
00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:53,260
here with a quote from your book Ryan in

1068
00:43:58,350 --> 00:43:55,270
which you address science as it relates

1069
00:43:59,700 --> 00:43:58,360
to UF ology It was as if a thick line

1070
00:44:01,290 --> 00:43:59,710
had been drawn between the Natural

1071
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,300
Sciences and the study of UFOs the

1072
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,800
latter having very little to rely on

1073
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:04,960
other than witness testimony and scant

1074
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:06,940
evidence the line became thicker the

1075
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:08,530
cloud of ridicule looming ominously over

1076
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:10,330
anyone who considered crossing over to

1077
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:10,990
the other side

1078
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:13,210
science had ostensibly become the enemy

1079
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:14,920
in a phantom war between realists and

1080
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:17,560
dreamers but when and how had that war

1081
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:20,380
of mistrust truly began the issue of

1082
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:21,910
science turning its back on what could

1083
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:23,050
potentially be one of the greatest

1084
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:25,390
discoveries in history the discovery of

1085
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:27,550
an alien presence visiting the planet

1086
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:30,130
this seemed to be much too vital an

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00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:32,260
issue to fight over that from the 5th

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00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:33,850
chapter of your book so again the

1089
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:35,410
question is there does seem to be this

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00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:36,730
kind of a breakdown many would say it

1091
00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:38,190
goes all the way

1092
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:40,320
you know the Colorado University UFO

1093
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:41,850
project better known as the condom

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00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:43,080
committee and their determination that

1095
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,730
well you know science wasn't gaining

1096
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:46,380
anything from studying UFOs and so

1097
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science is not going to put taxpayer

1098
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:49,770
dollars behind this any longer

1099
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I think many saw that as a cue for the

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science community to therefore dismiss

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00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:56,010
UFOs based on a lack of evidence

1102
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,360
I've always been troubled by that

1103
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:59,880
because it seems that again the

1104
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:01,560
descriptions of people's encounters

1105
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,190
continue photographs however no grainy

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00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,800
and you know really kind of inconclusive

1107
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:10,380
they may be in terms of what they

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00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,590
represent they nonetheless continue to

1109
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,640
apparently point to the presence of

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00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,740
something or several things perhaps in

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00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:18,660
our experience of living that we cannot

1112
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:21,210
explain at what point should science

1113
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,590
actually turn its back and say that

1114
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,180
there's nothing to see here and that it

1115
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,850
is of no benefit in terms of further

1116
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:29,520
scientific study might we continue to

1117
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:31,050
learn if we apply science to the study

1118
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,690
of UFOs Ryan absolutely I am in no way

1119
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:38,220
against the scientific study of ufology

1120
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,190
it is essential the data is essential

1121
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:43,440
and it's growing every day we have these

1122
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,110
young startup companies putting

1123
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:48,540
satellites into space to try to monitor

1124
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,840
UFO phenomena so right there guys I am

1125
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:53,940
exciting to see the future of scientific

1126
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:57,540
ufology while it is not something I have

1127
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,140
any vast knowledge on it is something

1128
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:03,420
that like I said is essential to the

1129
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:05,370
study I'm gonna continue looking at it

1130
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:07,170
here on the ground from the human aspect

1131
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:09,360
I can only hope that our scientists will

1132
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:10,830
continue to look at it in the skies

1133
00:46:14,570 --> 00:46:12,870
what's next for you Ryan you got another

1134
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:14,580
book in the works or other projects

1135
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:19,650
perhaps I do have a couple projects in

1136
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,830
the works absolutely guys I just

1137
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:24,450
finished an essay for an upcoming book

1138
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:27,180
this year with Robby Graham from the

1139
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:30,870
silver screen saucers acclaim so more

1140
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:33,140
info should be coming out on that soon

1141
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:36,390
other than that guys i'm furiously

1142
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:38,790
writing over at Omni reboot these guys

1143
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,530
have welcomed me with open arms

1144
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,480
I can't wait to continue writing for

1145
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:44,810
them and I will be giving my first

1146
00:46:50,779 --> 00:46:47,700
presentation at the place where I first

1147
00:46:53,179 --> 00:46:50,789
saw you speak like at the 2017 an hour

1148
00:46:54,739 --> 00:46:53,189
national UFO Congress in February that's

1149
00:46:55,759 --> 00:46:54,749
a wonderful place and of course be sure

1150
00:46:58,219 --> 00:46:55,769
while you're out there to say hi to

1151
00:46:59,749 --> 00:46:58,229
Alejandro and everybody for us if people

1152
00:47:01,489 --> 00:46:59,759
want to find you online if they can't

1153
00:47:03,279 --> 00:47:01,499
make it for instance to the UFO Congress

1154
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:03,289
where can they find you online right

1155
00:47:08,029 --> 00:47:05,729
definitely they could find me weekly on

1156
00:47:10,939 --> 00:47:08,039
the into the fray podcast that's into

1157
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:10,949
the fray radio calm hosted by our

1158
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,910
fearless leader

1159
00:47:16,669 --> 00:47:14,400
Shannon la grow we've had you on mica

1160
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,679
Jason we got to get you on I know you're

1161
00:47:21,289 --> 00:47:19,140
writing furiously for our blog which is

1162
00:47:23,509 --> 00:47:21,299
incredible I love that we can all work

1163
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:23,519
together guys it's incredible in one

1164
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,890
facet or another and you could find all

1165
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,660
my other ramblings that somewhere in the

1166
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:30,660
skies calm Ryan you have a very uniquely

1167
00:47:36,169 --> 00:47:34,140
bright and positive outlook on life and

1168
00:47:37,939 --> 00:47:36,179
that just comes forth in you when you we

1169
00:47:39,949 --> 00:47:37,949
hear you speak I really appreciate that

1170
00:47:41,299 --> 00:47:39,959
positivity and uh you've been a longtime

1171
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:41,309
contributor to the graylien report I

1172
00:47:44,749 --> 00:47:43,169
hope we continue to hear more from you

1173
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,759
and when the next one comes out in terms

1174
00:47:47,929 --> 00:47:46,079
of books or other projects I want to

1175
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:47,939
have you back to discuss that at that

1176
00:47:51,439 --> 00:47:49,529
time thank you again for joining us here

1177
00:47:53,059 --> 00:47:51,449
on the graylien report my honor my

1178
00:47:54,949 --> 00:47:53,069
pleasure guys thank you so much and

1179
00:47:56,269 --> 00:47:54,959
Jason Pendrell filling in for Matthew

1180
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:56,279
Oakley I want to thank you also for

1181
00:47:59,419 --> 00:47:57,390
being a part of what we've done this

1182
00:47:59,659 --> 00:47:59,429
week no problem brother always here for

1183
00:48:01,339 --> 00:47:59,669
you

1184
00:48:02,479 --> 00:48:01,349
yes indeed well on behalf of all of us

1185
00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:02,489
here at the graylien international

1186
00:48:06,499 --> 00:48:04,349
headquarters whether it be those filling

1187
00:48:08,419 --> 00:48:06,509
in or those guests join us or well those

1188
00:48:10,729 --> 00:48:08,429
guys that you are used to hearing from

1189
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:10,739
here in the bunker caleb hanks matthew

1190
00:48:15,499 --> 00:48:13,079
oakley chris hayes tyler Pittman race

1191
00:48:17,479 --> 00:48:15,509
and Robin Hobbs Jeremy London John

1192
00:48:19,759 --> 00:48:17,489
Anderson and yours truly Micah Hanks of

1193
00:48:21,469 --> 00:48:19,769
course the graylien himself if you want

1194
00:48:22,459 --> 00:48:21,479
to call me event others call me the

1195
00:48:23,989 --> 00:48:22,469
doctor here in the dark heart of the

1196
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:23,999
Hollow Earth I'm happy to be your light

1197
00:48:28,399 --> 00:48:25,890
in the darkness as we move forward every

1198
00:48:30,499 --> 00:48:28,409
week with questions about what's going

1199
00:48:32,899 --> 00:48:30,509
on out there whether it be a personal

1200
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:32,909
experience or perhaps how we can broaden

1201
00:48:38,989 --> 00:48:35,880
our knowledge base of the experience of

1202
00:48:40,099 --> 00:48:38,999
being human it's fascinating stuff on

1203
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:40,109
behalf of all of us here at brilliant

1204
00:48:43,789 --> 00:48:41,369
international headquarters I bid you

1205
00:48:44,899 --> 00:48:43,799
adieu my friends and as always stay

1206
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:44,909
strange out there we'll talk to you next

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00:49:05,920 --> 00:48:48,070
week on the graylien report

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